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u/Sol-Blackguy 9d ago
It's not like this is a bad thing. Look at how much work it's taking just to get politicians to acknowledge there's a damn problem. And at the end of their day, they're paid by special interest groups to say there's not a problem.
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u/HucHuc 8d ago
- There is no problem.
- There may be a problem, but it's not OUR problem.
- There is a problem, but there's nothing we can do.
- There was a problem and there might have been something we could have done, but it's too late now.
Damn, 80's British comedians knew it all too well...
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u/somemodhatesme 8d ago
where is this from?
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u/UncleCrassiusCurio 8d ago
Yes Minister. Its fantastic. https://youtu.be/nSXIetP5iak
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u/WorthPlease 8d ago edited 8d ago
I love a lot of british comedy, but the heavy handiness of the laugh tracks is rough.
IT Crowd is one of my favorite shows ever, but whenever I recommend it, I have to warn people about it.
It's like Friends or Seinfeld. The jokes are twice as quick and better, but it means there's also twice as much laugh track.
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u/LoreAcquisitor 8d ago
In this case, "Yes Minister" was filmed infront of an actual audience.
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u/Boner_Elemental 8d ago
An audience being threatened with a cattle prod and a flashing "Laugh!" sign.
Set them freeeeee
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u/NewNurse2 8d ago
"hey people who want massive social, corporate, and political change, why don't you go do it yourself if you're so smart."
Politicians and OP.
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u/Qubeye 8d ago
The best thing I've heard is that the media needs to stop asking politicians if they believe in global warming and instead ask them if they understand it.
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u/Emergency-Anywhere51 8d ago
The same media owned by Billionaires who are heavily invested in fossil fuels?
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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN 8d ago
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair
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u/SpaceAgePotatoCakes 8d ago
Even if you're not the one coming up with the solutions, if you're that sure of a problem then you should probably have some idea of who does know what the solutions are at least.
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u/adamdreaming 8d ago
STOP LETTING BILLIONAIRES BACK FROM SPACE
SERIOUSLY PEOPLE, WE HAVE MISSED ELEVEN OPERTUNITIES TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE
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u/SirLoinMC 8d ago
They didn't even have a space visa and we just let them right past our planetary borders.
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u/sleepydorian 8d ago
I feel like when folks make the argument that “if you specifically can’t tell me how to solve this then you aren’t allowed to complain” have to be committing some kind of logical fallacy. Like, me not knowing how to fix it is true for most things, but it doesn’t mean no one knows how to or that it’s just not possible. I think we’re well within our rights to press those responsible to make things better.
Like how we got a massive wave of spam calls and texts and the telecoms were like “sorry, nothing we can do, not possible” then the govt (after several years and a ton of pressure) was like “figure it out or we block you from operating in the US”.
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u/Tank3875 8d ago
It's a false choice: Either solve a problem or you can't complain about it.
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u/Bleflar 8d ago
It sounds weird but she's right. If the activists were actually the ones in charge of creating solutions, then those solutions would be terrible becouse activists are not usually professionals. They're there to provide an impulse and demand, so that those who have power comission those who know how to get stuff done to solve the problem.
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u/CthulubeFlavorcube 8d ago
Just because you yell "FIRE!!!" doesn't mean you are the best person to engineer a firetruck. It also doesn't mean that the house isn't on fire.
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u/UrMomThinksImCoo 8d ago
“911 what’s your emergency?”
“Help! I there’s someone on the floor unconscious!”
“….
Okay. So what you suggest we do?”
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u/Albuwhatwhat 8d ago
“Should we send someone? Like a doctor or something?”
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u/No_Ladder1955 8d ago
“Nah it’ll be fine, just tell them to get up”
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u/Dread_Frog 8d ago
I'll tell them they are fine and should pull themselves up by their boot straps!
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u/Wizdom_108 8d ago
This is actually a great analogy. You don't have to be a professional to know that something is wrong. And you can honestly be a professional at analyzing what exactly is wrong and why it's wrong. But it takes a whole team of people to determine what to do next to solve it and right the problem. Activists are the people going "hey this is wrong and we need to fix it" just like how people can see there's a fire or an injured person. But they know that they aren't equipped to necessarily fix said problem, there's a whole group of professionals needed to fix it.
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u/InfeStationAgent 8d ago
To say nothing of the fact that, in this analogy, the people who know the most about, and have the most resources to help, in this crisis are the ones who make money creating the crisis.
"Hello, 911? There's a fire. I don't want my family to die."
"Then why did you let yourself be born to a poor family?"
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u/sorry_human_bean 8d ago
And yelling "FIRE!" is absolutely an important role in this hypothetical. Equally important are those of a bystander who calls 911 (amplifying/supporting the message) and the fire chief (a coordinated, professionally informed response).
The issue here, to torture the metaphor, is that the hydrants are low and the trucks aren't running because City Council is still bickering about whether house fires are real. After all, their homes have never burnt down. Enough voters appreciate the tax break that things are still up in the air, but the wind is picking up fast.
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u/CthulubeFlavorcube 8d ago
"Fire is a myth"
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u/APoopingBook 8d ago
"Fire is a naturally occurring thing. We've dealt with fires for all of human history. Some humans even use fire to this day for heating or cooking. What's your solution to that? You just want people to be cold and hungry because you're a little scared of fire?"
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u/ElectionAssistance 8d ago
and an "things burn down all the time naturally stop worrying about it" but at the exact same time.
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u/TheRedditK9 8d ago
“Oh well if you’re so smart why don’t you put the fire out yourself?”
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u/DeLoxley 8d ago
I mean isnt the classic point that consumers and by extension activists are only a fraction of a fraction of the waste and emissions?
And on top of that, we've provided solutions. And what we got in return was 'maybe, by 2035, the problem will solve itself, anyway here's a new stripmine'
Politely asking has not worked. We worked out the problem in the 80's and had forty years to implement solutions that no one's moving towards in any meaningful way
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u/wakatenai 8d ago
right, us as tax payers can demand change.
it's not about each person having a solution.
it's a collective effort to ensure funding goes towards finding solutions.
and often times we already have a solution, it's just not being funded.
like infrastructure in the US is awful. we don't need innovation to fix it, we need funding.
transitioning to solar/wind/nuclear is already laid out. it needs funding. yes that will spark innovation and make it cheaper but it needs FUNDS.
solutions are already here they just aren't being implemented. and innovation is driven by funding for those already in those industries.
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u/Blue_Embers23 8d ago
When your nerves tell you your hand is burning, it’s not the receptors job to figure out how to stop burning your hand. Your brain is told there is a problem, and it makes a decision how to fix it. It tells your muscles to pull your hand away.
In the same way, politicians are told there’s a problem, and they activate resources/make decisions to fix it - that is literally their function.
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u/missingpiece 8d ago
Ironically enough, your hand pulls away from a hot stove before the signal reaches your brain. As a shortcut, the signal only goes to your spine before a signal is sent back to wrench your hand away. Your point still stands, I just think it's a fun fact that your brain isn't involved, only spinal neurons.
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u/Less_Client363 8d ago
In Sweden we say "it's in the spinal cord" when you know something instinctively. Like the english expression "like second nature".
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u/d38 8d ago
Interesting fact: it's not your brain that tells you to move your hand away, it's your spinal cord.
Those precious few milliseconds of time that the pain doesn't travel to your brain is an evolutionary advantage.
It's why sometimes you touch something and whip your hand away because it's hot and while you're doing it you realise it's actually not hot, just warm.
https://mydr.com.au/pain/pain-and-how-you-sense-it/
However, you will probably have reacted involuntarily even before you were consciously aware of the injury. In sudden strong pain like that generated by pricking your finger, a reflex response occurs within the spinal cord. Motor neurones are activated and the muscles of your arm contract, moving your hand away from the sharp object. This occurs in a fraction of a second — before the signal has been relayed on to the brain — so you will have pulled your arm away before even becoming conscious of the pain.
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u/Low-Holiday312 8d ago
But we already know the solutions - we just don't want to stop consuming.
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u/NuclearNoxi 8d ago
Individuals are only a small fraction of the problem. Yes, everyone should take some personal responsibility, but the majority of the issue is because of corporate and government waste worldwide. A person can only do so much, the world leaders need to step up.
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u/absoluteunitVolcker 8d ago edited 8d ago
I love people that blame corporations exclusively when they only produce those emissions to serve our consumption.
The inability of people to see circular reasoning and the heavy denial of reality is hilarious.
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u/Phallic_Intent 8d ago
Sure, people can be selfish, greedy meat-bags but this take seems to ignore the fact advertising, corporate media, lobbyists, and monopolies exist. Corporations have been actively eliminating "the little guy" competition, encouraging consumption, and incessantly producing propaganda for a while now. It's almost like we need loud-mouthed activists to get people engaged and involved so maybe governments and corporations will actually make changes?
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u/phungshui_was_took 8d ago
Well, what are corporations except a ton of people organized in a hierarchy towards an objective of gaining growth and profit?
There are people who legit live zero waste but that’s not terribly feasible in many areas today. Since corporations have power to do so, it’s not out of the realm to suggest that, generally, they could alter the production of consumed goods to be more environmentally friendly. And things have been trending that way as well. But I wonder if they could be moving faster, perhaps.
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u/modestVmouse 8d ago
But generally, producing goods in a more environmentally friendly way is more expensive, and those costs get passed on to the consumer. And what choice is the average person going to make when they're looking at two identical products with only the price and environmental impacts differentiating them? The sad fact is, people on average want cheaper more plentiful stuff more than they want to protect the environment. It's easier to just blame corporations and pretend they aren't serving our demand then look in the mirror.
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u/asoap 8d ago
The answer is usually no. Generally if you want to be more environmentally friendly then it's going to increase your costs. There aren't many things that help that lower costs.
A good example is the led lightbulb. Those took a long time to become affordable and then everyone including companies adopted them.
If companies want to lower their emissions and they use a lot of electricity then the best option is to move to a place that has cheap and low emissions like Ontario Canada or France. This might piss off some people when their plant closes down and they lose their jobs.
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u/Cuddlyaxe 8d ago
Yep, I think that if the right has climate denialism, there's a certain sort of "climate ignoralism" on the left
The truth is that in the modern day, consumption by the Global Middle Class causes most pollution.
The rich pollute a lot more per captia, but there aren't that many of them, and the poor are well, too poor to cause a ton of pollution
For a lot of people though it's a lot more convenient to just say 'eat the rich, we can solve climate change without having to change our lifestyles'
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u/Official_Wendys 8d ago
On one hand the company I work for creates more emissions via the electricity consumed and more solid plastic waste than all of us working there combined.
But I also don’t think 99% of people understand the cutbacks needed as individuals or are truly willing to live in a fully sustainable society with our current level of technology.
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u/BurpingBlastoise 8d ago
You know, for a fast food social media account you're pretty based. Don't agree with all your takes, but still pretty fucking based.
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u/Dadisamom 8d ago
I don't think it's actually Wendy's. It made a joke about cumming.
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u/MaTOntes 8d ago edited 8d ago
Using "fully sustainable society" as the bar for impact to individuals is misrepresenting the action needed and the impact that action would have.
It's like replying to someone's statement that they need to exercise to improve their health with "yeah, but you don't understand the sacrifices you'll have to make to become a professional marathon runner".
A "fully sustainable society" is the lofty end goal in 50 to 100 years. Severely reducing carbon emissions ASAP is the thing we need to, but aren't doing, now. (The "we" = governments making hard choices like severely harming the business of the largest polluters with aggressive legislation)
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u/DarkExecutor 8d ago
The only reason your company exists is because people want to eat Wendy's. If there was a magical company that proposed "Eco-Wendy's" that was $3-4 more expensive but fully green, no-one would eat there.
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u/BonnieMcMurray 8d ago
Yes, that's what their second sentence is implying: that it's ultimately an "us" problem.
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u/ImPaidToComment 8d ago
Those corporations aren't being wasteful because it's fun.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 8d ago
What do you think drives a lot of corporate consumption? Consumer demand.
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u/Xatsman 8d ago
Yes and no.
Consumer demand creates the need for products, but does not dictate the exact methods of how it is produced. How much plastic waste is generated is very likely to be a cost savings or sales considerations rather than a necessity imposed by the end consumer.
And a businesses may be telling the truth that they choose packaging based on consumer buying habits, and by not displaying it however they'll lose market share to competition who continues to. But if the government sets waste regulations that means neither companies' product can be packaged in such ways and we avoid the worst outcome.
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u/pm_yoursmoltiddies 8d ago
The most profitable industry is the one producing that demand. Consumers haven't been the driving force for a long time Shareholders profits need to be constantly growing so no company could afford letting their customers be satisfied with what they have
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u/killerboy_belgium 8d ago
just because there is a demand doesnt mean its has to be produced in such harmful way.
there is demand for shoes doesnt mean we should allow child labor as cost cutting measure to make those shoes
laws need to be in place to avoid harmful practices
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u/External-Edge9297 8d ago
Actually I want to stop consuming, I'd like a phone or a kitchen appliance that lasts more than two fucking years. Guess who invented planned obsolescence though?
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u/Papaofmonsters 8d ago
How are you going through kitchen appliances in two years?
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u/Athuanar 8d ago
The majority of that consumption isn't actually on consumers though. Most of it is on businesses. They have no incentive to curb their use of resources so they simply won't. That's where government regulation becomes essential but they won't do it due to lobbying pressure.
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u/DATY4944 8d ago
Humans aren't going to stop consuming. The solution is to use technology to reduce how harmful that consumption is.
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u/lookthruglasses 8d ago
It isn't as easy as "Stop consuming". There are gonna be huge macroeconomical repercussions that would trickle down if we just stopped "consuming" as much.
Tbf I am talking out of my ass a bit here, but it makes sense to me that it isn't just a "companies stop polluting" issue. We are going to need to reconstruct how most of the modern world is running, as far as I can see anywho.
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u/BurpYoshi 8d ago
The idea that individuals are the cause of most of the pollution and climate change is propaganda. Companies make up the vast bulk of it.
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u/Apotheclothing 8d ago
Exactly.
Activists are there to drive change and to motivate people to be mad about a problem. Often times their ‘solutions’ are not possible (societally or physically) or they may not know how to actually create viable solutions that are good.
That’s when scientists & engineers step up to deliver real solutions that work & that people will accept. We need both activists who aim for the stars and engineers who are grounded in reality to actually make progress and save this planet or accomplish whatever the goal may be.
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u/chloralhydrat 8d ago
...now, you are not wrong. But the trouble is - these activists quite often also undermine the solutions put together by professionals. Just have a look at the german "greens", and their attitude (and results!) towards nuclear power.
This is sort of a unsolvable problem - the activists seek high profile in media - which is logical, they need it to get their message across. But people seeing them (instead of the respective professionals) in the media will now start listening to the activists instead of the professionals. And now what?
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u/Shirtbro 8d ago
Nobody is listening to the professionals because Germany loves coal
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u/WINDMILEYNO 8d ago
Is it weird that I was disappointed when I found out what it was we were using nuclear power for? I'm not saying I completely understand everything even know, but it was one of the things that disenchanted me in life, when I found out that nuclear decay is just hot. So we use it to boil water.
For some reason that was disappointing.
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u/Extreme420God 8d ago
A lot power generation can be (mind the pun) boiled down to heating water.
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u/SerGeffrey 8d ago
On one hand you're right, it's boring how simple it is. On the other hand, it's really cool how simple it is.
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u/DoctorPilotSpy 9d ago
She’s a teenager. She’s not going to solve the global climate crisis. She’s begging for people in charge to put measures in place that climate scientists are recommending
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u/5narebear 8d ago
The fact that many people can't see this leads me to believe we are doomed.
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u/MattBrixx 8d ago
She's 20. Still valid tho
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 8d ago
I believe that picture is from 2019 when she sailed to the climate conference in America.
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u/MattBrixx 8d ago
She is! Just wanted to say that because I see many people dismiss her saying she‘s just a child
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u/Karl_Marx_ 8d ago
The fact this is even still up for discussion is both ridiculous and toxic. Don't forget we actively have people in our government that would rather the world go to shit than do things for the public. Even worse, people backing them.
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u/Tikkinger 9d ago
I soooooooo hate to say that, but she is right.
"We", the normal people, have no idea how all of that works. That's the job for scientists. To find solutions.
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u/AuNanoMan 9d ago
Exactly. We have people out there with solutions, we need to listen to them. Our job is to demand politicians listen to them.
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u/BokZeoi 9d ago
People don’t vote tho
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u/AuNanoMan 9d ago
Yes, I know, but that how the people express our demands. That’s just functionally how it works
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u/Frequent-Piano6164 8d ago
Yes tf we do!!! We just legalized recreational cannabis in my state!!!
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u/korbentherhino 8d ago
No thats not a good answer. People don't run. Only grifters or people with passion but no ability to convince others of their arguments.
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u/12characters 8d ago
“Great leaders do not seek power. They have it thrust upon them.”—Kahless The Unforgettable
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u/manleybones 8d ago
Why do you hate to say it?
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u/Daktic 8d ago
People always say shit like this to pretend like they’re “in the middle” in their politics.
I see it all the time with AOC. “I can’t stand her but…”. They probably never spent time listening to them or reading their policies/ideas.
They agree with this point and maybe many more but are afraid to stand behind them less they be labeled too radical.
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u/Electronic_Ad4560 8d ago
Exactly, and i feel like it is way more often used about women someone might have the displeasure of agreeing with.
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u/mhinimal 8d ago
sometimes language like that is not for the benefit of the speaker, but to appease the AUDIENCE, who may simply shut down the moment you mention "hey AOC did this neat thing" unless you qualify it. You have to convince them you are still "on their side" before they will be amenable to any commentary involving her because of their irrational hatred.
also i don't see what's wrong with someone agreeing with the substance of someone's position but disagreeing with their rhetoric or style / delivery.
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u/otirk 9d ago
That's the job for scientists. To find solutions.
I mean, they did find solutions but the politicians don't care
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u/Hydra57 9d ago
Ergo our job, making them care by threatening to vote them out
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u/chrisff1989 8d ago
Yeah just keep putting in a new guy every five years and hope this one will keep his promises. What could go wrong?
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u/fowlraul 9d ago
Caring doesn’t line their pockets…
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u/lazercheesecake 8d ago
And so it is the job of activists to make them care. To demand the solutions lest the sword of Damocles fall on the politicians heads.
What use is it to throw our hands up and give up saying “they don’t care why should we” when the world starts the drown?
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u/aw150 9d ago
its true but also ppl dont listen to scientists soooooo that sucks
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u/SonicYouth123 9d ago
people barely listens to their own doctor about their own health…
what chance will they listen to scientists about matters that barely directly affect them
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u/Stingraaa 9d ago
True. The level of knowledge diversification is crazy compared to even 50 years ago.
We can't expect everyone to know everything.
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u/spidereater 8d ago
Imagine complaining that a teenager doesn’t have the solution to the worlds biggest crisis and thinking that is some kind of gotcha?
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u/Philypnodon 8d ago
100 %
She. Is. Absolutely. Correct.
And i have no idea how people are mad about that.
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u/Badger_1066 9d ago
Not just scientists but politicians and the market/corporate world to willingly put changes in place. But, yeah, your point still stands.
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u/CT7824 9d ago
Scientists provided solutions for decades they just happen to be Ignored by politicians
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u/LordLarryLemons 8d ago
I wish this was top comment. I work in investigation right now and scientists of all types have been giving a variety of improvements and solutions for so many problems, even going as far as analyzing the financial side and budgeting costs but most of the work goes ignored because the government doesn't want to spend even a penny more unless its a "quick fix" solution with 0 downsides which is near impossible. Science takes time but a presidential term only lasts 4 years.
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u/LukeD1992 8d ago
"Hi. My car is not starting."
Mechanic: "I see. Could you tell me how to fix it?"
"Help, doctor. I'm feeling really unwell."
Doctor: "That sucks. Do you have some idea of what it might be?"
By OPs logic, that's how dealing with professionals should work. Doesn't work like that though. You present a problem and leave them to come up with a solution because that's THEIR job.
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u/FreyaTheSlayyyer 8d ago
Ah yes, a 19 year old girl should know how to answer all of the world’s problems. If she can’t, we don’t have to acknowledge that they exist.
/s for the illiterate
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u/divadschuf 8d ago
She‘s 100% right about this. That‘s why she said listen to the science. There‘re solutions. We just need a political will to translate those solutions into actions.
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u/killerboy_belgium 8d ago
i mean the pandemic has shown if we want enact change we freaking can do it even if we have drag a percentage of us dragging and screaming
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u/rje946 8d ago
A teenager, now 20 something demands the government fix a problem that affects us all. Shocking. Idk why she gets so much hate for saying true things
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u/saro13 8d ago
She gave a speech once and had lots of pictures taken of her looking angry and demanding, so she became the new meme for angry young liberal environmentalist kid. That’s pretty much the entire reason.
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u/OneMoreDuncanIdaho 8d ago
Probably some misogyny involved with the hate too
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u/kidantrum 8d ago
And ableism, too. Older people from my country said that that "poor little autistic girl" shouldn't be exploited like that. The parents should keep her hidden in her home and not let her out.
Sadly there are not so few people who think that anyone with some form of mental impairment should be imprisoned at their home "for their own well-being". It's disgusting.
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u/earwig2000 8d ago
It's so weird that people think being autistic is some crippling condition. Like bitch I'm autistic too and I'm allowed to have opinions, and I'm also self aware enough that they haven't been 'indoctrinated' into me.
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u/MotorcycleWrites 8d ago edited 8d ago
Weird how every famous young woman who talks about stuff they don’t like gets accosted by forum-dwelling weirdos.
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u/oyamaca 8d ago
This though! I do not understand the hate she receives on a regular basis. It’s fucked. Like sorry for caring about the planet y’all damn.
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u/UltimaDeusUmbra 8d ago
I mean, yeah, the point of being an activist is to put pressure on those in power to find a solution to the problem and act upon it. You don't need to be a scientist to be an activist.
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u/FIFAmusicisGOATED 8d ago
Are you idiots just figuring out how activism works now or something? When I call the fire department to tell them my house is on fire, I’m not telling them I’m going to put it out myself. I’m telling them they have the resources and I needed the bloody help, and we’ve entered into a social and financial contract to exchange this help. We’ve entered into this same agreement with our government, they just refuse to do their side.
It’s an activists job to demand they follow their responsibilities
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u/KBDFan42 8d ago
She’s right. She has no power, or the technical know-how, to create tangible and significant solutions. What she can do is create a demand, a push, for solutions, so that the people in power, MNCs, governments and billionaires can create a solution.
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u/Captn_Platypus 8d ago
That’s how society works no? We can’t all be good at farming, fighting, hunting at the same time so we divide each labour and specialize in one. We can’t all be smart scientists and engineers
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u/TheRealDestian 9d ago
The solution is for big business to stop being responsible for something around 80% of the carbon output (and don't get me started on billionaires and their private jets...).
It's not our job to figure out how THEY can pollute less...
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u/Insertsociallife 8d ago
Climate change has been a solved problem for decades. Nuclear power has been powering 20% of the USA for the past 60 years with one notable incident 50 years ago which resulted in no environmental damage.
This is dumb. We have solutions. Build them
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u/hoppahulle 8d ago
Greta is actually right here, like her or not - she (and the activist movement) has always presented themselves as the fire alarm, not the fire department.
They are loud, so the professionals can do their thing to stop it.
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u/ElHumilde13 8d ago
She's right tho...? If they (we) came up with the solutions, our current politicians wouldn't be in power right now. They should know and do better, most of us, simply civilians ain't capable of much right now
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u/Picklepartyprevail 8d ago
Damn some of y’all bitter as fuck. Don’t hate because this girl is trying to make a difference in the world while you sit on your lazy ass.
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u/DimitriTech 8d ago
The problem is that there are plenty of people out there providing solutions, but those solutions don't increase corporate profits so they're ignored or purposefully obliterated.
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u/Ok_Brain8683 8d ago
classic got ya post
so tired of reddit. but yes, children shouldnt be having to fix the world adults built
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u/Gustaf_V 8d ago
I love it when conservatives hate on Greta for not providing a solution and getting so much attention, that they actually look up other obscure activitists that do provide a solution.
But you know whats so funny about that?
Its that the people who provide a solution aren't getting any attention, because conservatives don't wanna help.
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u/MaleficentLynx 8d ago
She is right. Politicians, lawmakers, scientists should all step forward and do shit
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u/TorturedNeurons 8d ago
Scientists have been stepping forward for years, but politicians and lobbyists are standing in front of them.
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u/Dolenjir1 8d ago
For those who disagree, think of it like that: when you go to the doctor, are you going to provide solutions for your ailments, or to demand? It's the same logic. Not everyone is a scientist capable of solving complex environmental problems, and that's okay. What we need, is to make sure that those in power (namely, politicians) listen to the people who have the solutions, and, more importantly, to act upon it.
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u/Puncharoo 8d ago
Uhhh... well yeah.
It's why I think the Brexit Referendum was fucking stupid. We elect people to solve our problems. We decided how we wanted that problem solved when we fucking elected our representatives. So why the fuck are they asking citizens what to do?
That's the voters job in a representative government. It's not our job to make the decisions for the law makers, we elected lawmakers to make the decisions on our behalf
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u/TheArizn 8d ago edited 8d ago
that's literally how this works. u think the avg. Joe can come up with a solution to a complex problem
edit: typo
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u/MadreFokar 8d ago
I dont care because is literally pointless to do anything when big corpos or any billionaire and millionaire can pollute the world as much as me for the next 20 years on a whim on a single day
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u/bardhugo 8d ago
It's in the best interest of fossil fuel and other companies to say that it's our problem that we need to solve. Should we implement bans or caps on pollution? No no the problem must be your individual habits, we definitely shouldn't regulate them.
She's absolutely right, we should not be where the main change occurs
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u/ReduxCath 8d ago
We demand solutions because want people to start working on them now. It’ll take a while but just because I have a job in X doesn’t mean I don’t care about Y.
More specifically just because I don’t have a job directly in the environment doesn’t mean that the environment passes me by when it decides who to affect. It’s my planet. The weather will always affect my life because it’s the weather.
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u/brainburger 8d ago
What's the implication here, that a child should provide solutions to environmental and economic challenges?
No she shouldn't have to. That's ridiculous. It will take expert specialists to do that.
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u/Yoshibros534 8d ago
i don’t know how to unfuck us, but i no damn well we’re fucked if we don’t do something
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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown 8d ago
Just because I don't know how to fix my car doesn't mean I can't describe the problem to the mechanic.
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u/stillherelma0 8d ago
"But she's not an expert", she is repeating what every expert already said, she's just louder and more in your face, because you are shutting off your ears when the experts are talking.
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u/kaminaowner2 8d ago
I kinda agree with her, talk to anyone with a degree in stem and isn’t clinically depressed (short list granted) and they’ll tell you all the ways we can go green, it’s the give a damn that we as a species is lacking, not the ability.
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u/xXPussyPounder9000Xx 8d ago
She’s literally correct. It’s the government’s and the experts’ job to provide and implement solutions, but all they seem to do is happily take the oil billionaires’ money. I’ve lost all hope honestly.
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u/bunkscudda 8d ago edited 8d ago
“If you have a solution that allows everyone to live, while still generating our current profit margins I’m all ears. If not, you just have to accept the destruction of our planet as an inevitability”
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u/Stuck_in_2d 8d ago
I mean, that's true tho. Everyone can find a problem that they can't find a solution to, we shouldn't be able to fix everything, there's someone out there getting paid a lot of money monthly to come up with solutions anyway
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u/RohingyaWarrior 8d ago
She's right. As a child, she should be demanding solutions. If we do it sooner rather than later, we'll avoid having her become EC president and implementing her preferred solutions.
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u/SCP-Agent-Arad 8d ago
If you see an 18 wheeler driving on the sidewalk, mowing down pedestrians, you can go, “That’s a bad truck driver.” Even if you, yourself, don’t know how to drive one.